What are the number of theory exams, flight tests, medical examinations, to be completed? 14 TK exams, but if you have 1000 hours multicrew you are exempt formal training. However, this would be a BIG mistake. 1 flight test, plus any type rating issues. If you are current and have 500 hours on a machine they will grant you a type rating with just an LPC. Otherwise it will be a full type rating course. 1 medical exam Which is the best EASA member state to do this in?
Probably the UK, but the IAA (Ireland) are also worth considering for future licence issues. You would likely have to do the medical there though. Has the process become easier now that CASA issues Part 61 ICAO licences? Probably not:) Phil. Thanks Phil, Do you have a reference for these requirements? A UK CAA document maybe?
There has been talk of CASA working with EASA to allow the reciprocal recognition of most of the ATPL theoretical knowledge exams for licence conversions. This is a bit more realistic than repeating the whole ATPL theory course (14 exams), wouldn't you agree? CASA has a document which details the requirements for overseas ATPL (H) conversions in Australia which is available at: casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/fcl/./atplh_requirements.pdf They only require three theory exams to be passed as part of converting an overseas ATPL: - CPL Flight Rules and Air Law for Helicopters (CLWH) - Human Factors (AHUF) - ATPL Air Law (AALW) - then the IREX exam to allow the issue of a CIR There are also separate flight tests for the issue of the ATPL and the CIR.
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Thanks again. Im doing mine now, the help of phil for the theory.
You will be up for the 14 TK exams. Pass the EASA medical Flight test. CAP 804 section 4 part Q subpart2 page 1 To convert your singles over 100 hours in each type to avoid a full blown type rating To convert multi over 300 hours on type The conversion process was easier under CAR5, now you have to prove all your ratings to EASA as there not on your licence. Good LUCK.It is not advisable to sit the exams without a course.contact Phil.
Doing it under the UK CAA and avoid the German Nazi under any circumstances There has been talk of CASA working with EASA to allow the reciprocal recognition of most of the ATPL theoretical knowledge exams for licence conversions. This is a bit more realistic than repeating the whole ATPL theory course (14 exams), wouldn't you agree? Thats a JOKE. Bomber ARIS, The section of UK CAA CAP 804 which covers the 'Acceptance of Class and Type Ratings' says for a type rating issued by a third country to be inserted into your Part-FCL Licence you need: - to meet the experience requirements for the rating - pass the relevant skills test - be in current flying practice - have 350 hours in that type (for a large twin helicopter) This suggests that you do need a flight test (they call it a skills test). HD Ref: CAP 804, Section 4 Part Q, subsection 2, page 5.
I see your point ersa, but I think it's just a matter of time before the EASA makes a determination for all third party states that makes it easier for pilots to move to and work in the EU. It's called globalisation. CASA has done it for overseas ATPL recognition in Australia, so 'burying the hatchet' is possible. With an ATPL ground school course in the UK costing over $4000 AU, and taking at least 250 hours of study, I think I might wait this one out.
Could be a while though:hmm. Time to go flying. The info being given here is correct! I just went through the ICAO CPL(H) to EASA conversion process in the UK with licences from NZ, Austraila and the US, and well over 10,000 hrs PIC helicopter. Here what you have to do, there's no way round it!:ugh: There are some paperwork hoops you have to jump through, but the main elements of the conversion are: * Undertake an EASA approved Theoretical Knowledge course at an EASA Approved Training Organisation, which includes 2 individual weeks of consolidation at the school facility * Take and pass all 13 x Theoretical Knowledge Examinations, 14 for ATPL FYI, there are restrictions on the number of times you can take each individual exam; fail any exam 4 times and you start the whole process all over again.
No credit given for the TKEs you've already taken and passed and back to school you must go, so think seriously about in what order you want to take the exams, and make sure you know your stuff for each exam. I used CAPT as my training school and managed to avoid any retakes (many thanks Phil/Paco!) Of all the 'new' (read irrelevant) stuff I learned in the hundreds of hours of home study undertaken to ensure the exams were passed timely for the above reasons, I have since put just one solitary thing to occasional good use. Adobe Air Offline Installer Terbaru here.
The rest can, and already has been dumped! * 1st class EASA medical (for the UK it can only be taken at CAA House, Gatwick) * Flight training as required for the skill test FYI again, you must be recommended to EASA for the skill test by the Head of Training of the flight school, and EASA must approve that recommendation before you can take the skill test, which might be a sticking point if you try to limit the training as required to just 2.1 hrs to save money! * Take and pass the skill test.
Good luck if you are going to convert to EASA, you'll need it if you don't put in hundreds of hours of mind numbing unecessary work, and expense naturally! Study course fees, test prep questions (hightly rcommended,) hotel bills, food expenses, multiple commercial flights and/or rental car costs, TK exam fees, flight training (~ 5 hrs is acceptble to EASA,) skill test examiner fees, and licence issuance fees of course!:mad. Thanks AK, Up and coming helicopter pilots in Europe are probably reading this thread with a sense of security.
Foreign ATPL holder's contemplating working in the EU are given very few concessions, while an EASA ATPL can attract generous concessions in countries like Australia. I'm looking at the investment in time and money required to get an EASA licence as just another stage of my career as a pilot. I'm yet to crunch the numbers to see if it is worth it, and I'll post the results when I get the chance.
This thread has prepared me for the slice of humble pie that the ATO has waiting for me though. I'll look for professional recognition of my training and experience when engaging EU employers, not the training organisations. You are welcome H-D! I am going to throw a curved ball at you here. You can fly in EASA land on an EASA issued Validation of your foreign licence for limited period of time, but there are restrictions of course.
You never really get anything for free in aviation! An EASA 1st class medical, a bunch of correctly completed paperwork including sending (or taking) all your log books to the Aviation Authority in the country in which you wish to fly, and a paid fee of course may/should get you a 12 month Validation of your ICAO CPL(H) or ATPL(H).
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